action #158898
closedShould we make daily meetings earlier again (with exceptions) to help our self discipline size:S
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Description
Motivation¶
Proposal by okurz after listening to a podcast about Product Owners and Yoga looking to improve self-discipline
Possible benefits and drawbacks¶
- pro: both together so people interested in both are interrupted less over the day
- pro: can motivate people in the infra-subteam to start their day with engagement
- pro: not the awkward "haste from lunch" time slot for the infra daily
- con: no synchronisation point in afternoon after the "lunch down"
- con: follow-up with topics immediately after corresponding daily can be conflicting, e.g. infra-topic can not be followed-up with a person that wants to join the dev daily
Suggestions¶
- 1050 CET so it would be 1030-1045 CET for dev daily, 1050-1100 CET? ok, that's again to near to other calls so new proposal: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily
- Present proposals, discuss alternatives
- Conduct the experiment for some weeks
- Change Slack and calendar and wiki entries
- Make an explicit choice which to do
Updated by okurz 8 months ago
Asked in https://suse.slack.com/archives/C02AJ1E568M/p1712914375302139
(Oliver Kurz) @channel I made a ticket https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/158898 out of the proposal to shift dailies. jbaier+mkittler already agreed with the proposal. Please give your thumbs up to show that you agree. If you have better (realistic and reasonable) ideas let's hear 'em as well!
Updated by livdywan 8 months ago
From the retro 2024-04-12:
- Proposal by okurz: 1050 CET so it would be 1030-1045 CET for dev daily, 1050-1100 CET? ok, that's again to near to other calls so new proposal: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily
- pro : both together so people interested in both are interrupted less over the day
- pro : can motivate people in the infra-subteam to start their day with engagement
- pro : not the awkward "haste from lunch" time slot for the infra daily
- con : no synchronisation point in afternoon after the "lunch down"
- con : follow-up with topics immediately after corresponding daily can be conflicting, e.g. infra-topic can not be followed-up with a person that wants to join the dev daily
Updated by ybonatakis 8 months ago
I have a feeling that this is not gonna fly.
I still agree with put them back to back but my personal preference would rather be in the afternoon. The morning meetings in combination with other meetings we run at that time makes mornings less productive.
Updated by okurz 8 months ago
ybonatakis wrote in #note-5:
I have a feeling that this is not gonna fly.
I still agree with put them back to back but my personal preference would rather be in the afternoon. The morning meetings in combination with other meetings we run at that time makes mornings less productive.
Normally developers in the team should attend one or the other daily so for at least Monday and Tuesday you can still work efficiently after the daily and before your lunch break, whenever you plan to do that. What we should address though, and that was the point of the ticket, is to provide a sync point which is still on or near the beginning of the workday for everyone
Updated by okurz 8 months ago
https://suse.slack.com/archives/C02AJ1E568M/p1713770084504209
because it's the start of the week I would like to come back to https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/158898 another time: From next week on we should try the experiment to run the dailies as proposed: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily
Updated by okurz 8 months ago · Edited
- Due date changed from 2024-04-26 to 2024-05-10
- Priority changed from Normal to Low
at least one person prefers to keep the old which I would prefer to do therefor.
EDIT: We agreed that we can try out the new schedule going forward for the next weeks, starting next week.
Updated by okurz 8 months ago
- Due date changed from 2024-05-10 to 2024-05-31
- Target version changed from Ready to Tools - Next
I updated the meeting times in https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/qa/wiki/Tools/diff?utf8=%E2%9C%93&commit=View+differences&version=407&version_from=406 accordingly and we will run the experiment for some weeks
Updated by okurz 6 months ago
Asked in https://suse.slack.com/archives/C02AJ1E568M/p1718125412421139
@channel About https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/158898, what's your feeling:
:one: Keep current schedule of dailies infra 0820-0835Z + dev 0835-0850Z
:two: Shift back to old
:three: Let's try something different
Please feel welcome to also elaborate in this thread about your choice, positive as well as negative experiences, ideas to try
Updated by okurz 6 months ago
- Due date deleted (
2024-06-25) - Status changed from Feedback to Resolved
Poll results are – excluding me:
- "Keep current schedule of dailies infra 0820-0835Z + dev 0835-0850Z": 4
- "Shift back to old": 0
- "Let's try something different": 0
so let's stay with the current. I checked the wiki and it does mention the experiment so we can keep the current state for good.
Updated by okurz 6 months ago
- Related to action #162695: Move dailies further apart to make room for follow-up questions added