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Should we make daily meetings earlier again (with exceptions) to help our self discipline size:S

Added by okurz 17 days ago. Updated 3 days ago.

Status:
Feedback
Priority:
Low
Assignee:
okurz
Target version:
Tools - Next
Start date:
2024-04-12
Due date:
2024-05-31 (Due in 32 days)
% Done:

0%

Estimated time:
Tags:
process, retro, reactive work, daily

Description

Motivation

Proposal by okurz after listening to a podcast about Product Owners and Yoga looking to improve self-discipline

Possible benefits and drawbacks

  • pro: both together so people interested in both are interrupted less over the day
  • pro: can motivate people in the infra-subteam to start their day with engagement
  • pro: not the awkward "haste from lunch" time slot for the infra daily
  • con: no synchronisation point in afternoon after the "lunch down"
  • con: follow-up with topics immediately after corresponding daily can be conflicting, e.g. infra-topic can not be followed-up with a person that wants to join the dev daily

Suggestions

  • 1050 CET so it would be 1030-1045 CET for dev daily, 1050-1100 CET? ok, that's again to near to other calls so new proposal: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily
  • Present proposals, discuss alternatives
  • Conduct the experiment for some weeks
  • Change Slack and calendar and wiki entries
  • Make an explicit choice which to do
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 #1

Updated by okurz 17 days ago

Asked in https://suse.slack.com/archives/C02AJ1E568M/p1712914375302139

(Oliver Kurz) @channel I made a ticket https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/158898 out of the proposal to shift dailies. jbaier+mkittler already agreed with the proposal. Please give your thumbs up to show that you agree. If you have better (realistic and reasonable) ideas let's hear 'em as well!

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 #2

Updated by livdywan 14 days ago

From the retro 2024-04-12:

  • Proposal by okurz: 1050 CET so it would be 1030-1045 CET for dev daily, 1050-1100 CET? ok, that's again to near to other calls so new proposal: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily
    • pro : both together so people interested in both are interrupted less over the day
    • pro : can motivate people in the infra-subteam to start their day with engagement
    • pro : not the awkward "haste from lunch" time slot for the infra daily
    • con : no synchronisation point in afternoon after the "lunch down"
    • con : follow-up with topics immediately after corresponding daily can be conflicting, e.g. infra-topic can not be followed-up with a person that wants to join the dev daily
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 #3

Updated by okurz 12 days ago

livdywan and me agreed with the proposal. Awaiting more feedback from team members currently not available.

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 #4

Updated by livdywan 12 days ago

okurz wrote in #note-3:

livdywan and me agreed with the proposal. Awaiting more feedback from team members currently not available.

I assume that is this proposal:

so new proposal: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily

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 #5

Updated by ybonatakis 12 days ago

I have a feeling that this is not gonna fly.
I still agree with put them back to back but my personal preference would rather be in the afternoon. The morning meetings in combination with other meetings we run at that time makes mornings less productive.

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Updated by okurz 11 days ago

ybonatakis wrote in #note-5:

I have a feeling that this is not gonna fly.
I still agree with put them back to back but my personal preference would rather be in the afternoon. The morning meetings in combination with other meetings we run at that time makes mornings less productive.

Normally developers in the team should attend one or the other daily so for at least Monday and Tuesday you can still work efficiently after the daily and before your lunch break, whenever you plan to do that. What we should address though, and that was the point of the ticket, is to provide a sync point which is still on or near the beginning of the workday for everyone

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 #7

Updated by okurz 8 days ago

https://suse.slack.com/archives/C02AJ1E568M/p1713770084504209

because it's the start of the week I would like to come back to https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/158898 another time: From next week on we should try the experiment to run the dailies as proposed: 1020-1035 CET for infra daily, 1035-1050 CET for dev daily

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 #8

Updated by okurz 5 days ago ยท Edited

  • Due date changed from 2024-04-26 to 2024-05-10
  • Priority changed from Normal to Low

at least one person prefers to keep the old which I would prefer to do therefor.

EDIT: We agreed that we can try out the new schedule going forward for the next weeks, starting next week.

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 #9

Updated by okurz 5 days ago

  • Tags changed from process, retro, daily to process, retro, daily, reactive work
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 #10

Updated by jbaier_cz 4 days ago

  • Subject changed from Should we make daily meetings earlier again (with exceptions) to help our self discipline to Should we make daily meetings earlier again (with exceptions) to help our self discipline size:S
  • Description updated (diff)
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 #11

Updated by okurz 3 days ago

  • Due date changed from 2024-05-10 to 2024-05-31
  • Target version changed from Ready to Tools - Next

I updated the meeting times in https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/qa/wiki/Tools/diff?utf8=%E2%9C%93&commit=View+differences&version=407&version_from=406 accordingly and we will run the experiment for some weeks

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