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2018-02-06 #opensuse-admin Heroes meeting

[20:01:51] <cboltz> meeting time ;-)

[20:01:52] <thomic> its 20.01 ... tampakrap want to start?

[20:01:54] <thomic> :d

[20:01:56] <thomic> :D

[20:02:05] <tampakrap> meeting time!

[20:02:12] <thomic> STOP! Meeting time!

[20:02:15] <tampakrap> cboltz: taking over as usual?

[20:02:29] <cboltz> no objections ;-)

[20:02:51] <cboltz> does someone from the community have any questions?

[20:03:14] <thomic> one short info ... https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes i updated this page and this page https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes/Meetings

[20:03:24] <thomic> as it still said we meet in #opensuse-project

[20:03:28] <thomic> so that is fixed now

[20:03:53] <cboltz> thanks!

[20:04:27] <tampakrap> not questions, but issues-questions that I see in our ticketing system

[20:04:33] <Ada_Lovelace> We should speak about a new Coordinator for the team after Lars left.

[20:04:57] <tampakrap> one is widhat doesn't have working ipv6, I plan to work on this tomorrow

[20:05:23] <thomic> Ada_Lovelace: how do you see this role in future? what are the tasks you think?

[20:05:51] <Ada_Lovelace> Answering questions like that by Douglas last week.

[20:06:15] <thomic> what was the question by douglas? about hardware sponsoring?

[20:06:19] <tampakrap> about the sponsoring?

[20:06:34] <Ada_Lovelace> Responsible for answers for hardware sponsorship and anything else.

[20:06:38] <thomic> i already took of this responsibility, as I promised on last offsite in december

[20:06:51] <thomic> and I'm directly in contact with Doug regarding this

[20:06:57] <Ada_Lovelace> Ok

[20:07:19] <thomic> actually i want to know "what is the rest of the stuff?"

[20:07:33] <thomic> organizing an offsite, i had no real big problems with doing it

[20:07:44] <thomic> but i don't want to be the projects babysitter

[20:08:23] <tampakrap> how about to discuss this topic at our offsite?

[20:08:29] <Ada_Lovelace> Having an eye on tickets. We don't need any babysitter. The main job is answering emails.

[20:08:30] <thomic> yes, we can do

[20:08:41] <Ada_Lovelace> We can do.

[20:09:28] <thomic> Ada_Lovelace: Exactly, answering E-Mails is something I don't see in a "coordinators" role... usually, everybody should be able to do it ... if it is about an "internal contact person" for questions which you cannot solve outside

[20:09:33] <thomic> speak up

[20:09:37] <thomic> and we can discuss it here or via mail

[20:10:05] <tampakrap> I got a request from a guy about handling mirror requests, juergen loehel

[20:10:10] <thomic> but I really like, that heroes are now more capable of working on their own, as we did the infrastructure move etc...

[20:10:17] <tampakrap> thomic: ^^ mind adding him to the list of the people to be invited to the offsite please?

[20:10:18] <thomic> however sorry for noise^^ offsite topic

[20:10:35] <thomic> tampakrap: i dont mind ;)

[20:10:36] <tampakrap> he started already practising

[20:10:45] <thomic> ticket number?

[20:10:58] <tampakrap> jloehel his username, works for suse in the nuremberg office

[20:11:05] <thomic> i know

[20:11:06] <thomic> :)

[20:11:17] <tampakrap> which ticket you mean?

[20:11:20] <tampakrap> the offsite ticket?

[20:11:22] <thomic> i just wanted to know if there is a track of pre-communication :)

[20:11:26] <tampakrap> https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/28908

[20:11:35] <thomic> you said you had mails with him

[20:11:38] <thomic> about mirroring

[20:11:39] <tampakrap> no, it has been through irc

[20:11:42] <thomic> ah

[20:13:16] <tampakrap> anything else or should we move to the status report?

[20:13:19] <cboltz> thomic: for hardware sponsoring, can you please add https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/unternehmen/kampagnen/thomas-krenn-award.html to your TODO list?

[20:13:31] <thomic> tampakrap: he got mail

[20:14:17] <tampakrap> thank you!

[20:14:21] <thomic> cboltz: yes

[20:14:28] <thomic> i already saw this

[20:14:36] <thomic> but i need to talk to doug what to write there

[20:14:37] <thomic> :)

[20:14:53] <cboltz> ok, thanks!

[20:14:54] <thomic> i'm not the best writer regarding sponsoring stuff.. I just support with hardware details etc

[20:15:05] <thomic> if somebody feels enlightened to help out

[20:15:06] <thomic> feel free

[20:15:45] <thomic> aehm wait

[20:15:46] <thomic> cboltz:

[20:15:52] <thomic> i think i skipped this one

[20:15:57] <thomic> for a big and valid reason

[20:16:05] <thomic> JURY Lenz Grimmer, Engineering Team Lead, SUSE LINUX GmbH

[20:16:29] <thomic> i don't think it's a nice idea to take part in a sponsorship were SUSE decides ...

[20:16:44] <thomic> that might be something like "Angehörige von der Teilnahme ausgeschlossen" :)

[20:17:10] <cboltz> indeed, it might look strange if we win ;-)

[20:17:17] <tampakrap> yeah makes sense

[20:17:18] <thomic> yay

[20:18:40] <cboltz> ok, so let's continue with status reports about everything

[20:18:46] <cboltz> I'll start with elections.o.o

[20:19:04] <cboltz> it "works", but I'd prefer if I wouldn't need quotes around "works"

[20:19:36] <cboltz> ideally we should re-setup the machine with salt, but I've been too busy too do it

[20:19:37] <tampakrap> I owe you a uwsgi configuration, didn't forget about it

[20:20:26] <cboltz> I'll ping you when I have time - either in the next 3 days or after carnival

[20:20:31] <tampakrap> what's our deadline for it?

[20:21:02] <cboltz> we need it for the board election, so "as soon as the election starts"

[20:21:14] <tampakrap> do we have date for the elections?

[20:21:32] <cboltz> nothing exact yet

[20:21:33] <Ada_Lovelace> It depends on the system. ^^

[20:21:49] <Ada_Lovelace> Richard thought about May.

[20:21:50] <tampakrap> based on the testing you did so far, is this the system to go for?

[20:21:51] <cboltz> that, and we also need some candidates ;-)

[20:22:01] <tampakrap> or should we start investing on something else?

[20:22:18] <cboltz> well, we did the small test election about our favorite editor, and it worked

[20:22:28] <cboltz> so I hope it will also work for the board voting

[20:22:37] <tampakrap> cool

[20:22:56] <tampakrap> what candidates you mean?

[20:23:11] <tampakrap> candidates for the election committee or candidates for the board?

[20:23:15] <Ada_Lovelace> Does it works with Communiy Members "only"?

[20:23:28] <cboltz> for the board, we already have some people for the election comitee

[20:23:55] <tampakrap> okay I suppose it's up to them then to find the candidates and set the timeline :)

[20:24:03] <cboltz> Ada_Lovelace: helios requires to upload a list of voters (= openSUSE Members)

[20:24:06] <Ada_Lovelace> I can give them the "go" if possible.

[20:24:43] <cboltz> well, in worst case, we can use the current machine that "works" (with quotes)

[20:25:02] <cboltz> that's not perfect, but also not a reason to delay the election

[20:26:44] <cboltz> so feel free to give them the "go" (maybe first ask on board@ if someone disagrees, but IMHO there's no showstopper)

[20:26:58] <Ada_Lovelace> Then I'll write to our election committee, that they can start with their plan.

[20:27:08] <tampakrap> cool

[20:27:48] <cboltz> more status reports?

[20:27:53] <tampakrap> sure

[20:28:03] <tampakrap> static.o.o first

[20:28:26] <tampakrap> there are three webpages there: studioexpress.o.o, html5test.o.o and static.o.o itself

[20:28:34] <tampakrap> the first two are in git repos, static.o.o is a mess

[20:28:58] <tampakrap> so I plan to gather the sources and put them also in a public git repo, as people wanted to do changes already

[20:29:18] <tampakrap> and since we're talking about static.o.o, I suppose there is no objection to put it in a public git repo

[20:29:32] <tampakrap> I'm pretty sure there are no generated files either

[20:29:34] <tampakrap> agreed?

[20:29:45] <cboltz> where is the static.o.o stored currently? nowhere (except on the server, obviously) or spread over several git repos?

[20:29:48] <tampakrap> related ticket https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/30322

[20:30:11] <tampakrap> some parts local only, some parts in git repos that are not automatically deployed

[20:30:17] <tampakrap> so they are outdated on the server

[20:30:24] <tampakrap> and I think I saw SVN there

[20:30:47] <cboltz> SVN content might indeed be slightly ;-) outdated

[20:30:52] <tampakrap> as soon as we gather the sources somewhere, then we can automate the deployment via salt better, so we can finally redeploy the machines from sle11 to leap

[20:31:04] <tampakrap> and also create a static.o.o proper cluster in provo as well

[20:31:17] <cboltz> in general, no objections to moving everything to a git repo

[20:31:34] <cboltz> but before you move or merge stuff that is already in another git repo, speak with the people managing it

[20:31:37] <tampakrap> it would be cool if I manage to automate the deployment via a salt reactor and a CI

[20:31:52] <cboltz> there might be cases where a separate repo for a subdirectory might make sense

[20:31:55] <tampakrap> but I'll have to find a good way to mirror the git repo from github to gitlab.i.o.o, as gitlab-ci doesn't work with github

[20:32:23] <tampakrap> cboltz: how about the other way around? gather them and see if anybody objects

[20:32:33] <tampakrap> I am pretty sure all that stuff are totally unmaintained right now

[20:32:57] <cboltz> I'd ask nevertheless

[20:33:06] <tampakrap> there haven't been any server changes for almost three years

[20:33:28] <Ada_Lovelace> Do you know the owner of the content?

[20:33:29] <tampakrap> okay, ask it is

[20:33:30] <cboltz> the risk with "just doing it" is that someone commits to the "old" repo without noticing that it isn't used anymore

[20:33:39] <tampakrap> I don't, I'll try to find them

[20:33:49] <Ada_Lovelace> Thanks!

[20:34:17] <tampakrap> well, I'm pretty sure that in at least two git repos people committed stuff that never hit production :)

[20:34:35] <tampakrap> either way, I'll ask around and see what happens

[20:34:44] <cboltz> thanks!

[20:35:07] <tampakrap> next is community.i.o.o

[20:35:27] <tampakrap> I took a look at the websites hosted there and I filed tickets for all of them to move them away

[20:35:37] <tampakrap> to static.o.o if they are static or to a separate VM if they are not

[20:35:45] <tampakrap> I'll contact maintainers as well

[20:36:05] <tampakrap> the only thing is that there was an ancient non-working search.o.o instance that I disabled

[20:36:11] <tampakrap> and I put a redirect to software.o.o/search

[20:36:44] <tampakrap> meanwhile someone created a search.o.o replacement which is static, and I told him to gather feedback from the community and as soon as he is ready to file a ticket so we can deploy it

[20:37:46] <tampakrap> https://opensuse.github.io/search-o-o/

[20:37:49] <tampakrap> this is the website

[20:38:15] <tampakrap> looks nice to me, even has a dark/light theme

[20:38:23] <Ada_Lovelace> I believe Ludwig created this repo...

[20:38:50] <tampakrap> nope, this repo was moved recently by me to the opensuse namespace from his personal one

[20:39:18] <tampakrap> probably you mean https://github.com/openSUSE/searchPage

[20:39:28] <Ada_Lovelace> Sorry! I saw search-o-o and thought to the github repo.

[20:40:15] <tampakrap> other webpages that are in community.i.o.o are fontinfo.o.o, shop.o.o and I don't remember what else

[20:40:30] <tampakrap> if we move them away it will be a huge step to offload the machine from stuff

[20:40:54] <tampakrap> it still has the bugbot irc bot and it is used by the docs people for the release-notes, but one step at a time

[20:41:27] <tampakrap> any comments here or should I move on?

[20:41:38] <cboltz> one comment for the search page:

[20:42:20] <cboltz> since we have two search pages now/soon (searchPage and search-o-o), we should decide if we want both or if switching to search-o-o makes more sense

[20:42:44] <cboltz> (I'd vote for search-o-o, and maybe add the funny geeko back to not disappoint our firefox users)

[20:42:55] <tampakrap> agreed, that's one reason why I didn't deploy it (to avoid confusion)

[20:43:47] <tampakrap> you're free to send your feedback to the developer I'd say :)

[20:44:15] <cboltz> yes, I'll do that later ;-)

[20:44:15] <tampakrap> I don't want to take the decision on which one should be our search page, I will just deploy one

[20:45:08] <tampakrap> okay moving on to mirrors:

[20:45:17] <cboltz> indeed, that should be discussed with the community (in the clever way - "here's a new search page to replace search.o.o and the firefox search page, how do you like it?") *eg*

[20:45:41] <tampakrap> I mentioned already there is an ipv6 issue on widehat that I plan to take care tomorrow

[20:46:27] <tampakrap> also I mentioned already jloehel volunteered to start doing mirrors work, so I gave him access to scanner.o.o and gave him the task to add a new mirror to gain some experience with mirrordb and with communicating to mirror-admins

[20:47:12] <tampakrap> still many mirrors tickets open though, and I'm trying hard to find time to touch them but I'm failing so far

[20:47:23] <tampakrap> so if anyone is interested in doing mirrors work, feel free to ping me

[20:48:26] <tampakrap> next: my MF-IT tickets from the past two months are still unanswered, and I still have no responsible MF-IT person to handle provo tickets in progress.o.o

[20:48:46] <tampakrap> the issue is escalated to my managers, no reply yet

[20:48:53] <tampakrap> I'll keep you posted if there are news

[20:48:56] <cboltz> nice[tm]

[20:49:22] <tampakrap> next: monitoring

[20:49:33] <tampakrap> Ada_Lovelace: would you have time to take a look at some issues regarding monitoring?

[20:49:48] <tampakrap> eg https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/30298 remove the ntp checks and replace them with chrony on the leap hosts

[20:50:54] <Ada_Lovelace> I will do it in March. I received a new attack after Lars's leaving with the reason "Max" in December. I said that I don't do any operative tasks for 3 moths now, because that's enough.

[20:51:19] <Ada_Lovelace> After the next attack I extend it to 6 months.

[20:51:30] <tampakrap> okay

[20:52:12] <cboltz> I seriously hope you'll never need to extend it ;-)

[20:52:13] <tampakrap> next: I spoke with lnussel during my last nuremberg trip about two topics: his mirrors/release scripts on pontifex and about software.o.o ownership

[20:52:41] <Ada_Lovelace> I'll contribute again, but I have the same problem like Lars. I receive escalations via the Board without any reasons.

[20:52:45] <tampakrap> for the mirrors scripts he has, we agreed to meet at some point soon online to move them to salt, and I'll restore his pontifex access as well

[20:52:52] <Ada_Lovelace> Sorry!

[20:53:56] <tampakrap> about software.o.o tickets: ancorgs doesn't respond any more to them, I'm waiting for a new responsible person to assign him the tickets

[20:54:03] <tampakrap> meanwhile they will remain like this

[20:54:52] <tampakrap> and my last status update is about salt

[20:55:21] <tampakrap> we have extended the testsuite, apart from code validation tests we now have also tests that validate the generated content

[20:55:37] <tampakrap> we started with the nginx configs, where for all but three machines are now in salt

[20:55:45] <tampakrap> next is haproxy

[20:56:01] <tampakrap> also, the testsuite now has colors to better separate the errors from the info messages

[20:56:15] <tampakrap> and to better see which one of the conditions actually failed and which one passed

[20:57:05] <tampakrap> example https://gitlab.infra.opensuse.org/tampakrap/salt/-/jobs/2549

[20:57:24] <cboltz> I hope my reviews didn't shock you too much ;-)

[20:57:36] <tampakrap> your reviews are amazing as always <3

[20:58:07] <tampakrap> I think that's all from me, the rest at the offsite :)

[20:58:46] <cboltz> I have a little success message from Provo - KC Wise fixed the news.o.o newsfeed (which breaks on every wordpress update) today

[20:59:09] <tampakrap> yey!

[20:59:38] <cboltz> does someone else have status reports?

[21:01:00] <thomic> aehm

[21:01:06] <thomic> did you talked about education?

[21:01:17] <thomic> sorry i was a bit "In the deep"

[21:01:39] <tampakrap> I don't have anything to say about this, there is a volunteer fully handling it now

[21:01:46] <thomic> yay

[21:01:46] <tampakrap> even replying to other volunteers

[21:01:54] <tampakrap> so I don't really know what's happening there

[21:01:54] <thomic> as we had the topic last month

[21:02:04] <thomic> i just want to tell this to everybody^^

[21:02:10] <thomic> somebody cares about domain + project now

[21:02:13] <tampakrap> Aksem: did I give you VPN access already or I forgot?

[21:02:14] <thomic> we are out of the way :)

[21:02:33] <tampakrap> I think I forgot his vpn :/

[21:02:35] <tampakrap> shame on me

[21:05:29] <thomic> anyways

[21:05:37] <thomic> i just clicked 3 baskets @ thomaskrenn

[21:05:45] <thomic> more than kick us from the list they can't do

[21:05:53] <thomic> my 3 ideas i configured in the budget

[21:06:24] <thomic> 1.5k euro -> LES small machine with monitor as "USB stick creator / Showcase for openSUSE booz"

[21:06:48] <thomic> 2k euro -> 1U server as standalone monitoring host for the openSUSE infra, if KVM cluster would go down in VLAN42

[21:07:20] <thomic> 3k euro -> 2U server, small extra KVM host, which can be used as monitoring server and maybe an extra machine for something like status on a different cluster

[21:07:55] <thomic> any objections^^? cboltz tampakrap Ada_Lovelace

[21:08:02] <cboltz> sounds good, thanks!

[21:08:08] <Ada_Lovelace> Sounds good.

[21:08:27] <tampakrap> +1

[21:09:04] <cboltz> can you share the links? I have no idea about datacenter grade hardware, so maybe I could learn a bit about it by viewing what you selected ;-)

[21:10:02] <thomic> cboltz: this is so non-datacenter grade :D :D

[21:10:06] <thomic> it needed to be cheap

[21:10:23] <cboltz> ;-)

[21:10:25] <thomic> if you want to know, we can do a sub-/side-session with a laptop and a beer at offsite

[21:10:38] <thomic> it's no big deal :)

[21:10:49] <thomic> but i will put you on CC

[21:10:57] <cboltz> sounds good - but only if you don't force me to drink beer ;-)

[21:12:46] <thomic> ah no we have boxbeutel as well cboltz :P

[21:13:12] <thomic> s/boxbeutel/bocksbeutel

[21:13:24] <thomic> however you spell it - you can't if you drank one :P

[21:13:39] <cboltz> ;-)

[21:14:39] <cboltz> more status reports?

[21:15:41] <cboltz> doesn't look so, so let's continue with

[21:15:44] <cboltz> offsite meeting planning and topics

[21:16:12] <cboltz> https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/28908 is the ticket for the offsite meeting

[21:16:55] <cboltz> does someone already have some topics we should discuss?

[21:17:06] <tampakrap> one is the coordinator that Ada_Lovelace proposed

[21:17:22] <cboltz> right, I'll add it

[21:17:26] <tampakrap> a big and complex topic I'd like to discuss is vpn in provo and bridging the networks

[21:18:23] <cboltz> also added

[21:18:54] <tampakrap> mirrors

[21:19:01] <tampakrap> our database clusters

[21:20:07] <cboltz> also added

[21:20:07] <tampakrap> salt and automation in general (next steps, moving from pets to cattle etc)

[21:20:47] <tampakrap> rbrown is invited to come at some point to discuss board - infra topics

[21:21:06] <tampakrap> lnussel is invited to discuss release management topics

[21:21:10] <cboltz> he also has the Kubic VM now, so I'd say he's invited all the time ;-)

[21:21:21] <tampakrap> getting rid of sle11 hosts asap

[21:21:27] <tampakrap> upcoming leap15

[21:22:05] <tampakrap> roland is also invited to discuss management issues as well

[21:22:35] <tampakrap> thomic: we'll need to get definite timeslots from rbrown, rhaidl and lnussel I'd say

[21:22:55] <tampakrap> not to overlap with each other, and to give enough time to each one of them to discuss

[21:23:14] <tampakrap> ah also the mailing setup and the upcoming heinlein migration

[21:24:09] <tampakrap> monitoring and status.o.o could be a topic

[21:25:05] <cboltz> all added, but I'll wait a few minutes before saving

[21:25:41] <tampakrap> do we need to discuss about any specific webapps?

[21:25:48] <cboltz> thanks for the big list, even if it makes it hard to come up with more topics ;-)

[21:25:52] <tampakrap> the sle11 / old hosts topic covers some of them

[21:26:19] <cboltz> you'll hate that topic, but - what about connect.o.o?

[21:26:28] <tampakrap> it's covered on the sle11 hosts

[21:26:41] <tampakrap> connect.o.o and progress.o.o are the first two that came to my mind as well

[21:26:44] <cboltz> we still need it for membership management, but at the same time, it's terribly old

[21:27:35] <cboltz> I'll list connect as separate topic because it needs more than moving to a new machine

[21:27:36] <tampakrap> so someone from the membership team should take care of it then now that miska went away

[21:27:47] <tampakrap> yeah do so please

[21:28:01] <tampakrap> progress.o.o was something that I discussed already with lnussel as well

[21:28:25] <cboltz> do you want progress as separate topic as well?

[21:28:32] <tampakrap> the plan is to set up a leap machine with all plugins disabled, and then give it to lnussel and okurz since their teams (along with our team) are the heaviest users

[21:28:39] <tampakrap> and if it is fine, then move on

[21:29:08] <tampakrap> if plugins are missing, then we'll need to discuss if we're moving with missing functionality or if we're blocked until we find a ruby dev

[21:29:20] <tampakrap> yes add it, but it might be resolved until then

[21:29:57] <tampakrap> vpn in provo and bridging the networks are the same topic

[21:30:01] <cboltz> that would be even better ;-)

[21:30:39] <cboltz> well, I thought about "admin VPN Provo" vs. "bridging the network" as different topics

[21:31:36] <cboltz> do you still think I should merge this into one topic? ;-)

[21:32:03] <tampakrap> well, setting up a vpn in provo is not a topic, it's an action item

[21:32:13] <tampakrap> bridging the two vpn networks is the topic for discussion

[21:33:10] <cboltz> I could also call that an action item - I'm sure nobody is against bridging the networks ;-)

[21:33:42] <Ada_Lovelace> perhaps Provo admins?

[21:33:49] <tampakrap> how to do it is the topic here

[21:34:44] <cboltz> tampakrap: ok, you convinced me

[21:35:34] <tampakrap> Ada_Lovelace: what do you mean?

[21:35:34] <cboltz> Ada_Lovelace: you mean how to make them more responsive?

[21:36:06] <Ada_Lovelace> Yes and whether we are allowed to do it with the VPN bridge.

[21:36:13] <cboltz> sounds like a subtopic for the management topics to discuss with Roland

[21:36:32] <tampakrap> the vpn bridge will not happen with the MF-IT network

[21:36:44] <tampakrap> that will remain as it is, we can't access it

[21:36:56] <Ada_Lovelace> Ok

[21:37:49] <cboltz> right, the "old" machines there (AFAIK news.o.o and www.o.o) won't be reachable over VPN

[21:38:04] <thomic> see heroes@

[21:38:05] <tampakrap> and lizards

[21:39:11] <tampakrap> thomic: it's in german, I'll use google translate

[21:39:23] <thomic> tampakrap: I'm very sorry :)

[21:39:57] <thomic> hrm

[21:40:04] <heroes-bot> PROBLEM: HAProxy on mufasa.infra.opensuse.org - HAPROXY CRITICAL - Active service riesling is DOWN on riesling proxy ! Active service narwal4 is DOWN on static proxy ! ; See https://monitor.opensuse.org/icinga/cgi-bin/extinfo.cgi?type=2&host=mufasa.infra.opensuse.org&service=HAProxy

[21:40:07] <thomic> bridging VPNs o.O .. yes that is a topic

[21:40:08] <thomic> :)

[21:40:17] <thomic> oh nice^^ what happened?

[21:40:52] <tampakrap> thomic: nothing ignore it

[21:40:54] <cboltz> note "mufasa" - the bot is talking about the VMs we used in Provo during the power outage

[21:41:06] <thomic> ah yay

[21:41:12] <thomic> we should fix this :D

[21:41:21] <thomic> i always get scared and saw it several times

[21:41:32] <tampakrap> true

[21:41:46] <thomic> so..

[21:41:52] <thomic> moar topics for offsite?

[21:41:56] <cboltz> I wonder about narwal4 (aka "another static.o.o") - should it also be down?

[21:42:24] <tampakrap> no

[21:42:29] <thomic> any preferences regarding Dinner on Friday / Lunch / Dinner on Saturday?

[21:42:34] <tampakrap> but I'm not fixing it now :)

[21:42:45] <thomic> any stuff I need to remark, like, no meat :D

[21:42:52] <cboltz> FYI: I just saved https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/28908 so that everybody can see the topics

[21:42:56] <thomic> otherwise I would just reserve :D

[21:43:23] <cboltz> I'd say surprise us ;-)

[21:44:08] <thomic> oh kay :D

[21:44:09] <tampakrap> thomic: for lunch I'd say let's go somewhere around, nothing fancy

[21:44:17] <thomic> yay

[21:44:19] <tampakrap> for dinners surprise us yes

[21:44:36] <thomic> anyways I will go for a solution below 30 euro

[21:44:44] <thomic> that's not too expensive for everybody :)

[21:45:02] <thomic> we could order some pizza or something as well - if we don't want to go out :)

[21:45:05] <thomic> just in case

[21:45:06] <cboltz> or invite someone with a company credit card ;-)

[21:45:21] <thomic> cboltz: i can't guarantee on that one^^ :(

[21:45:33] <thomic> but I'll talk to $people

[21:45:34] <cboltz> (not saying that I want/need food 30 €)

[21:45:44] <thomic> maybe there is an expense possible

[21:45:59] <cboltz> s/30/> 30/

[21:48:46] <cboltz> anything else for the offsite meeting?

[21:48:57] <tampakrap> yes

[21:49:01] <tampakrap> looking forward to it!

[21:49:11] <cboltz> indeed!

[21:49:16] <thomic> me too?

[21:49:17] <thomic> :D

[21:49:31] <tampakrap> you too?

[21:49:33] <tampakrap> you don't know?

[21:49:40] <thomic> "me too!"

[21:49:45] <thomic> i'm looking forward

[21:49:56] <thomic> but i don't know if i'm allowed to use the term anymore

[21:49:58] <thomic> :D :D

[21:50:18] <cboltz> -v please ;-)

[21:50:43] <thomic> you want me to be verbose, or why do you call me with -v?

[21:50:43] <thomic> :D

[21:51:06] <cboltz> I wondered about "I don't know if I'm allowed to use the term anymore"

[21:51:15] <thomic> yay

[21:51:26] <thomic> however

[21:51:38] <thomic> let's call it an end?

[21:51:47] <cboltz> yes

[21:52:04] <cboltz> if someone comes up with another topic later, feel free to add it to the ticket

[21:52:19] <cboltz> we can of course also add topics during the offsite, so nothing is set into stone ;-)

[21:52:47] <cboltz> thanks everybody for joining the meeting and all the work you did!

[21:52:48] <thomic> yay. chaos as always ;)

[21:53:51] <tampakrap> yey!!