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On 29 March 2018 at 21:00, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2018-03-29 19:22 GMT+03:00 Ana Mart=C3=ADnez <anamma06@gmail.com>:
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>> Hi,
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>> According to our Wiki[1], during the campaign-phase there should be:
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>> 1 - plenty of blog entries on the upcoming election by the candidates
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>> 2 - interviews with all candidates by the openSUSE news team
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>> 3 - a moderated Q&A session on IRC possibly during one of the regular
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>> Project meetings or a separate meeting
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>>
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>> All the candidates have written a platform, so we could consider 1 as
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>> done. But 2 and 3 haven't been done. Taking into account that the
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>> elections starts on Monday and that tomorrow is public holiday in many=
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>> part of the world, I think this is not acceptable and that we can not
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>> consider the campaign-phase as done. How is people going to decide who=
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>> to vote if they don't know who we are? Because of that I would like to=
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>> ask for delaying the elections.
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>>
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>> You may wonder why 2 and 3 haven't been done. I think that their
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>> organisation have started too late and we didn't manage to do it on
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>> time. The openSUSE news team is already working on the interviews (2)
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>> and they will be published as soon as they received the answers from
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>> all the candidates. It could even be that it is published before the
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>> voting period starts. In the case of the moderated Q&A session on IRC
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>> (3) it was maybe not sure who should organised it. I have expected the=
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>> elections team to do it, but there is actually no reason why we (the
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>> candidates) can not organise it alone. I have already send them a
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>> Doodle and I hope we can announce a date rather sooner than later.
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>>
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>> I know that this is not optimal and I am really sorry if someone
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>> doesn't like my email. But I personally do not feel well if, after
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>> saying in my platform[2] that I want the board to work transparent,
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>> the first thing I do is skipping our own rules without any
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>> explanation. I really do not pretend to blame anybody with this email.=
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>> I just want that we have some more time to make a good campaign, so
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>> that openSUSE members have the chance to choose the people who better
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>> represent what they think openSUSE should be.
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>>
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>> Regards,
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>>
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>> Ana
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>
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> Dear Ana
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> I admire your passion on doing things right(I really do), but there
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> are a few things that you do not consider or know so here lies the
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> explanation you asked on my behalf. 2nd for sure and I do not remember
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> about the 3rd are there since the days both me and Chuck were at the
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> (so called back then) marketing team that put them there, the reason
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> why none of them ever happened is because of the different time zones
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> and candidates schedules which were never so far got aligned. I read
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> the mails you candidates sent the last couple days and you stepped on
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> to those same issues.
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> Now what really heart my feelings is that tomorrow is not a public
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> holiday for many of us, actually for me as an Orthodox is the weekend
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> the elections end and instead of spending Sunday with my family I will
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> be spending time for the election results and I am not nagging as it
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> is 100% my choice because that was the only way I could find to help
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> the project. Also not all volunteers are volunteers only onworking
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> hours(the opposite I would say as many are doing it on their free
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> time, on weekends etc) so for me that is not an issue and it is unfair
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> to put yourself in that position.
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> As stated by Knurpht ,at the end of the day voters consider
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> contributions not campaigns. The campaign is there to make clearer to
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> the voters a bit more about your vision for where you want the project
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> to go if you get elected, at least this is how I see it.
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> Long story short my opinion on the matter you raise as an election
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> committee member is that things stay as are because I think that this
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> is the best for the elections. If Chuck or the board think otherwise
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> then we should talk about it but I value that this should be done the
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> next hours so that things have a change to go smooth.
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> Just to be fair you are 100% right on theory and I really believe that
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> if me and Chuck had more time available maybe we would have done a
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> better job at it but we were the only who even volunteered for it and
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> this is the best we can do under the circumstances.
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> You can agree or not but all of the above are my personal opinion.
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> Best regards
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> Kostas
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Hi all,
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I think we have quite a pickle here
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On one side I see Kostas' point of view and accept that in the past
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we've run elections while being very lax with the campaign side of
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things.
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On the other, I see Ana's point of view. This is something we should
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spend the time to do right.
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I feel Kostas' and Knurpht's points actually support Ana's point.
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Ana is a relatively new contributor to the project, but as we can
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clearly see a very passionate and driven one.
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I think we do her, and other similar candidates, a disservice if we do
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not give them adequate time to campaign, and if we do not give the
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opportunities we advertise we will during the campaign.
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It's important the Board is not only full of long time contributors
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who got their purely on their name recognition on account of their
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being around for so long.
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The reason the election process was written the way it was is
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precisely to give opportunity for new faces with new ideas, to join
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the Board, if the community elect them.
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I think it's important we stick to those principles and give ever
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candidate a fair chance at being elected.
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The election committee are volunteers, with other jobs, family lives.
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If it sounds like I'm being critical of them I want it clearly
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understood that I cast no blame on them.
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It's just a fact of life that this year the elections haven't managed
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to have everything organised in the time expected.
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In retrospect I also think the decision to transition from the
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campaign to the voting period of the election during the Easter
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weekend was a stupid one, and while the election committee are wholly
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responsible for the conduct of the election, I do think the Board
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could have done a better job of challenging that decision.
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So here we are, about to start voting on the elections and with
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candidates raising valid concerns that proper procedures haven't been
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followed.
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I believe a decision on this _has_ to be made by the election committee.
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I believe the Board should have no direct say in this matter - given
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half of the Board is up for re-election, the very subject of this
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topic, the risk of conflict of interest is rather high.
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As the campaign was meant to end this Easter weekend, and the voting
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meant to start this Easter weekend, I think it is unacceptable to
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expect the Election Committee to make a decision this weekend.
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Therefore, in my role as unelected Chairman, responsible for ensuring
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continuity in the Project's Board, I'm making an executive decision to
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_temporarily_ delay the start of voting period, in order to give the
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Election Committee time to consider their decision.
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Dear openSUSE admins, please make sure no actions are made to start
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the voting on Apr 2 unless you hear otherwise from the Election
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Commitee.
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This pause is expected to last _no longer_ than it takes for the
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Election Committee to decide what to do.
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This pause therefore may be meaningless if the Committee decide to
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before Apr 2. But as Kostas has pointed out, it's Easter, and the
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chance of that is pretty slim.
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The Election Committee should feel absolutely free to decide as they
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see fit. I will wholly and utterly support whatever decision they make
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in either direction.
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They've been entrusted to run these elections. This exceptional
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executive decision on my part should not be seen as anything other
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than an administrative necessity to give them a little more time to
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consider this matter.
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But I believe there is a valid dispute that needs to be considered,
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and due to the public holiday this exceptional decision needs to be
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made to give the committee the time they need to decide.
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Best Regards,
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Richard Brown
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